There Is Power In a Union

Posted: October 27, 2011 in Uncategorized

Seen at Dusty’s joint:

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I really do believe that.  I know how to make cities and suburbs work, I know how to design buildable, sustainable, humanistic buildings and residences (that don’t leak, as much as I respect FLLW’s work, I know how to do things he didn’t).  I know people who can build them, I know people who make art and noise and food and all the things we need to live; and every last fucking one of them just wants the opportunity to do it.  every last fucking one of them just wants the opportunity to make someone else’s life better, in whatever way they can.

And the only people standing in our way are the 1%.

We….are the 99%

Some of us are zombies.

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  1. mikey says:

    Actually, if we are going to be serious, no, we don’t have that power. Not even a little bit.

    Look. The basic human organizing unit is the tribe. Essentially, a tribe is a homogeneous group of extended families. It can grow quite large, but it is characterized by a unified worldview and belief system. When you create nation-states, you are attempting to unify tribes. But they often don’t believe what you believe, and they often don’t want what you want. So we created political institutions to operate ABOVE the tribal level and find functional and technocratic solutions to our problems. But that only works as long as the competing tribes are willing to put society above ideology.

    We are in precisely the opposite position today. Ask yourself one question. Do you believe, based upon what you’ve observed, that it is more likely that we will find common ground and solve our collective problems or that tribal intransigence will lead to violence?

    If you believe the first proposition, then yes, you can believe that working together we can solve “every single problem”. But I’d have to challenge you to explain how that comes to pass. If, however, you believe that the toxic combination of nationalism, racism, 24×7 instant media and corporate greed has created a gulf between ideologies so wide and and so filled with fear and hate that a descent into tribal violence is all but assured, then some pretty picture and mindless platitude is more than insulting, it’s a silly fairy tale.

    Somebody needs to explain in real world terms how we get past the anger, the bigotry, the co-opted political system, the broken system of governance, the utter lack of political courage and the tendency of democracy to evolve into authoritarian police states in order to protect corporate interests and solve our problems. Because I suspect once you try to provide that explanation, you’ll reach the conclusion that you’re just kidding yourself.

    Yeah. We are the 99%. And that entitles us to be shot down in large number by tank guns and gunships. Something good might come of that, but there’s a LOT of dying between now and then to be done…

  2. Naw, mikey, I disagree.

    Piling up the bodies in front of the barricades is what counts.

    Four dead in Ohio; it resonated.

    The Chicago brutality? it was recognized.

    Kings death? it galvanized people.

    Yeah. I agree that we are tribes. We have knee jerk reactions based on those.

    But we are not working the same tribes that we did in 1968, or 1974, or 1980. There are a lot of us able to recognize that the tribes have shifted from ‘white oriented’ to ‘people who are being fucked”,

    And the Oakland police are beating veterans in support of the idea.

    Do you believe, based upon what you’ve observed, that it is more likely that we will find common ground and solve our collective problems or that tribal intransigence will lead to violence?

    mikey, based on what I am seeing, I believe that there will be a fair number of people who find common ground, and there will be some number who refuse to accept it. What we need to work toward, is a situation where we no longer accept their retrograde, backwards ideas as a valid pat of our political discussion.

    Of course, I am hallucinating.

  3. mikey says:

    Huh?

    Yeah, the people in Zuccotti Park share a lot of common ground.

    So how do you translate that into functional change?

    Well, you could pass legislation. I’ll just wait here until you stop laughing. Our process of governance is broken. It doesn’t serve the people, it serves the fundraisers, and even if a heroic statesman appeared, there are SO many veto points that she’d fail to make a single minute change.

    That leaves violence. And we are an extremely violent people, with an unprecedented supply of lethal weapons and a belief that might makes right.

    Go ahead and tell me again how it will all work out…

  4. mikey says:

    I’m sorry, this kumbaya “we can all come together and solve our problems” line of horseshit just pisses me off. Wake UP!

    There are people who don’t WANT to solve those problems. They don’t even SEE them as problems.

    So just stop it…

  5. yep. I know what you are saying mikey.

    And that’s what I am saying. There are all kinds of people willing to just pick up shovels and draw up buildings and just fucking BUILD the fuck out of this world.

    And there are all kinds of people willing to just expedoite the FUCK out of that idea.

    Look. I have said. I know how to design sustainable buildings and communities. I am ready. Who’s fucking hiring me? no one.

    So how do you translate that into functional change?

    Yea, dude, you do it from the bottom up. I do it by trying my damndest to make my clients work sustainable. I do it by working on adaptive reuse projects. I do it by buying recycled shit.

    But mainly I do it by being an obnoxious fucking whining pain in the ass.

    I dunno how you make it happen on a universal level. But You know, I do what I do. I try to make it better, every step I take. It’s the hundredth monkey, but at the same item, it is also incremental improvement.

    I love you my friend, but as someone who tries to make his life by building shit, I am a terrible optimist.

    For me, it’s no kumbaya, but rather a bunch of Clash and Gaslight Anthem, and it makes me want to rebuild the FUCK out of what has been lost….

  6. There are people who don’t WANT to solve those problems. They don’t even SEE them as problems.

    mikey, dude, that have ALWAYs been there.

    Sometimes we rie up and fuck them up.

  7. mikey says:

    But that’s my point, exactly. If you lived in a tribal culture, you could build a neighborhood. You could likely manage it and balance needs and resources and educate the children and defend the freedoms and punish the wrongdoers.

    But that’s not the question. The question is simply this: What is the United States, and is there a path to make it something that comes close to living up to its values. It really doesn’t matter what buildings and community you build if there are powerful forces dedicated to tearing it down.

    Can someone, ANYONE, describe for me a scenario where people are cared for, educated and given the opportunity to contribute to society in exchange for the opportunity to accumulate wealth? Can anyone suggest ANY fucking goddam path to creating a nation that you and I would want to live in? Would just one goddam one of you tell me how we create a culture that you’d want to bequeath to your babies?

    They own it. They ain’t gonna give it up easy.

  8. Power In A Union?

    I know that song!

    And the only people standing in our way are the 1%.

    And their brainwashed servants.

    “I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half.”
    – Jay Gould

    ~

  9. They own it. They ain’t gonna give it up easy.

    I’m not saying that they will, are you, zrm?

    Power concedes nothing without a demand.
    ~

  10. ould just one goddam one of you tell me how we create a culture that you’d want to bequeath to your babies?

    Yep’
    Here’s my operational plan: let’s start by going back to 70’s era taxation rates.

    Nad then we spend a FUCK of a lot of money on bridges, highways, and all that good old infrastructure shit.

    And then we legalize poT.

    And after that? O yeah; I will just start by saying that 1/10 of one percent of the military budget be dedicated to kids books.

    \

  11. mikey says:

    Great. Wonderful plan.

    But THEY own both houses of congress, and the system is designed such that even if the majority WANTED to implement your fantasy, they could easily be stopped by a few nihilists.

    So I ask again. Explain to me a scenario where we actually accomplish anything without violence…

  12. M. Bouffant says:

    Totally on mikey’s side here, & not just ’cause he’s armed & lives nearer me. (I’ll grant zrm marginally better musical taste. Thud’s taste is almost as good as mine.) Humans & their nature suck. I become more & more convinced that it’s not politics that separates us, but psychology (authoritarian mind) or even physiology (crypto- & not so crypto-fascists & their their big scaredy cat amygdalas*). Then it takes just a few cynics & creeps to perpetuate the proverbial system on the backs of the unthinking but scared shitless millions.

    Piling up the bodies in front of the barricades is what counts.

    Four dead in Ohio; it resonated.

    The Chicago brutality? it was recognized.

    King’s death? it galvanized people.

    None of that made any difference to the “arc of history.” 1972: 60 million of your fellow Americans voted for Nixon, even after the above, Vietnam, & the first stirrings of Watergate. Forty yrs. later we sit around & type how much better Nixon was than today’s fascist leaders are.

    It is hopeless. Not only that, almost all the violence to come will be perpetrated against the Koom-bye-yah (How the fuck do you spell that?) chanters. The rugged American individual mythos has been internalized as “Fuck you, I got mine by working three jobs at once, none of them w/ benefits or health care, therefore I am a righteous godly person (See: Puritan work ethic, more shit that the sheep have swallowed whole.) & you aren’t taking it, lazy non-conformist weirdo!” That’s American exceptionalism at its core: “We’re assholes, we love ourselves for it, & please beat me harder!”

    Thunder’s Gould quote is absolute truth. And if were we to tie up the Average Yankee Moron & read the Hedges thing to him, her or it, they would barely understand it, & scream that it was dirty commie bullshit anyway. Which is why there’s no hope. Human nature is to be stupid, scared, & to keep your head down when the boss comes around, ‘though it’s OK to pick on the powerless. Hell, the boss does it, & look where he is.

    *This gives us a legitimate reason to kill them all, or at least cut into their heads & reduce their fear centers. Get your scalpels out, it’s going to take a lot of slicing & dicing.

  13. blue girl says:

    This is an awesome comment thread.

  14. yeah, everybody against me, Beege. Awesome.

    Typically, October is a down point in my manic-depressive cycle; for some reason, I seem to be in a manic phase this year. The thing is, I kind of agree with all these fucking nihilists.

    But I still keep working and drawing air. It’s fucked up, it is.

  15. mikey says:

    It simply comes down to this:

    They don’t want to give us a fair deal, and they have so much power and wealth that they don’t have to. The only entity that potentially has the power to impose justice on the system is the Federal Government, so the wealthy and powerful quite wisely co-opted that. But back up a bit and ask yourself “what is it that at least in theory gives the government the power to impose a just system if they chose to do so?” And the answer is simply that Government has a supposed monopoly on the use of force. They can incarcerate, and they can kill. So any non-governmental entity, no matter how powerful, is by definition ultimately less powerful. But here we have a system that can only elect those who support the status quo, and any outliers who believe in social and economic justice and are nonetheless elected are easily prevented by the system of governance itself from bringing about any change.

    So there it is – it’s like a very simple equation. Change requires power. Government will not use its power to create change. Leaving two options. Live in a manifestly unjust system, or apply the same power the government refuses to apply.

    Eventually, when living gets hard enough and hopeless enough, people decide that dying to make things better for the next generation is a logical choice. I don’t know where we are on that arc, but I know without question where it all ends…

  16. Jennifer says:

    But I still keep working and drawing air.

    I thought you were a zombie…

    Also,drawing air is boring… unless you’re using charcoal.

  17. fish says:

    I think this guy is just zombie pandering.

  18. fish says:

    Essentially every major advance in human rights in the US came with people standing bravely while their own government released violent forces onto their heads. The civil war might be the only exception I can think of where the (federal) gov was actually on the right side of the argument. But the thing is, societies and civilizations are always in flux. There is no such thing as stability, and what seems permanent and inevitable now, is just ashes and dust eventually. The US is doomed, what isn’t known is not if, but when. The question then becomes, “can we make something better out of the ashes?” And this is where it turns out I am an optimist (SHUT UP, I AM TOO AN OPTIMIST). Iterations of society have gotten better over the arc of history. The US was an early experiment in more egalitarian sharing of power (ultimately failing), better than what England had to offer, but less good than others that emerged after. Other societies are better, none are good, but there are pockets of pretty okay working societies (Scandinavians have figured a few things out).
    We may win a few more scraps with OWS or whatever follows it. But eventually we will have to start all over again. The world economy looks worse than it as in a long time. Maybe ever. I would invest heavily in seatbelt futures.

  19. fish says:

    thudner is too late and stealing from me. Oh the irony.

  20. Jennifer says:

    thudner is too late and stealing from me. Oh the irony.

    Well now we know for sure that the world is ending.

  21. M. Bouffant says:

    From Thunder32’s link to Hedges:

    We have tolerated the intolerant—from propaganda outlets such as Fox News to Christian fascists to lunatics in the Republican Party to Wall Street and corporations—and we are paying the price. The only place left for us is on the street. We must occupy state and federal offices. We must foment general strikes. The powerful, with no check left on their greed and criminality, are gorging on money while they busily foreclose our homes, bust the last of our unions, drive up our health care costs and cement into place a permanent underclass of the broken and the poor. They are slashing our most essential and basic services—including budgets for schools, firefighters and assistance programs for children and the elderly—so we can pay for the fraud they committed when they wiped out $14 trillion of housing wealth, wages and retirement savings. All we have left is the capacity to say “no.” And if enough of us say “no,” if enough of us refuse to cooperate, the despots are in trouble.

    There are not enough of “us.” By the time there are enough who realize they’ve nothing to lose but their chains, there won’t be anything left to fight over but the chains, & they’ll be pretty damn rusty.

  22. mikey says:

    Make no mistake. If “enough of us say no” the despots will begin to kill us. They have only intimidation behind which to hide. And it works. For every Philippines, there is a Saudi. For every Libya, there is an Iran. For every Tunisia, there is a Bahrain. The lesson of history is the people can ALWAYS defeat the despot – provided they are willing to contribute enough lives. Look at Syria – 3000 dead and nothing close to accomplished.

    Now, the US is an interesting outlier, in that the people START the process armed. Heavily armed. When they begin to shoot us down in the streets, well, they HAVE to know that they’ll catch incoming fire. The calculation is a little different here – once they decide to turn demonstrations into a revolt, they have to be aware of the consequences of that decision. Both sides of the intransigent belligerent inflexible ideological divide will decide, at some point, that the time for talking is past. And the tragic wasteful outcome will be that the US will break up into something between three and five different nations, with very different visions of governance and very different economies. Which we could just negotiate now with no bloodshed, but we don’t work like that…

  23. blue girl says:

    Mikey’s point about the coming revolution reminds me of a favorite scene from my favorite movie:

    Annie Hall: Sometimes I ask myself how I’d stand up under torture.

    Alvy Singer: You? You kiddin’? If the Gestapo would take away your Bloomingdale’s charge card, you’d tell ’em everything.

  24. Carmi says:

    I’m not entirely sure folks with nothing better to do than camp out in public parks ultimately have the answers to what ails us – let’s face it, “make the rich fix our unequal and unfair society” is hardly a solution, let alone a catch phrase – but I’m heartened that they’re raising their voices in the first place.

    I live on the wrong side of the border, but my Canuckistan perspective means I have a front-row seat to one of the nastiest, most divisive socio-cultural-political environments on the planet, where those with different ideas on what constitutes freedom and economic fairness hardly see each other as Americans, let alone human.

    Yet maybe it’s my Canuckistan roots that compel me to believe that there are enough people out there who believe we’ll somehow figure out a way out of this. That goodness will, against all odds and all currently-visible logic, prevail.

    Call me an idealist. I’m OK with that.

    (Brilliant blog, btw. Love how you view the planet.)

  25. Jennifer says:

    one of the nastiest, most divisive socio-cultural-political environments on the planet, where those with different ideas on what constitutes freedom and economic fairness hardly see each other as Americans, let alone human.

    Isn’t that the truth.

  26. M. Bouffant says:

    Hey, you sort of got a mention: Look who’s coming to get Wisc.!

    But they seem to be wise to you:

    I just want to say that Wisconsin is prepared for the zombie apocalypse (we have a zombie raid task force available 24/7).

    Survivor 10.28.11

  27. Jennifer says:

    I just want to say that Wisconsin is prepared for the zombie apocalypse (we have a zombie raid task force available 24/7).

    ZRM- maybe that’s why they allow firearms in the state capitol now… I’m sure that must have been the reasoning behind it…

  28. I suspect mikey and I are talking past each other. I confess I expected m. Bouffant to piss all over everything, that’s his shtick.

    I am referring to the fact that the problems facing us, when viewed as tasks, are solvable. We know how to fix the infrastructure; spend money on it. We know how to fix unemployment; start by repairing the infrastructure. We know how to fix the economy; not be a Hoover and reduce unemployment by spending money. We know how to reduce the deficit; not by austerity, but by improving the standards of the middle and lower classes, which directly turns into revenue. We know how to repair broken and dysfunctional urban environments. We know how to reduce disease in Third World countries. We know how to reduce AGW impacts. We know how to improve schools (as George Carlin says, we can try spending money on them; as a solution, it has the advantage of never being tried before). And we know how to pay for these things; because Treasury bonds offer the safest returns on any investments in the world, at this time of market volatility, people and countries are lining up to buy them, so the cost of incurring that debt to the US is functionally zero (yes. Free Money. Fuck your deficit hysteria, Republicans and Blue Dogs.)

    The fact that we do not have a political power structure able to begin faltering steps towards any of these efforts does not devalue the fact that as a country, as a people, as a race, we DO have the knowledge and ability to solve them.

    And some of us do try, even though it is similar to tilting at windmills. As I have mentioned, I have done significant work at repairing degraded urban and suburban environments through the design work I do. Admittedly, it is not enough, but it is all I can do. This afternoon, after I finish this diatribe, I will be working on the fourth installment of a series of affordable housing projects in Bronzeville, the African-American district north of downtown. It will mark over 110 living untis I’ve designed in this neighborhood, devastated by misguided urban planning, highway construction, and economic neglect; apartments aimed at blue collar workers and single parent families who struggle to find safe, secure, modern living quarters.

    Many people work at solving these problems at the local level. It isn’t glamorous, or well-publicized, or financially rewarding. It is ridiculed by millionaire banksters and decried as useless by liberal gore-crows.

    But when one of these tenants stands up at a dedication ceremony and tearfully describes how it has changed the lives of herself and her children, I refuse to let you tell me it is useless and that improvement is impossible.

    Here’s a quote from the Minister of Optimism:

    OWS has already won a national victory.

    Without OWS, the only discussion we’d be having would be the merits of plutocrat-friendly Third Way Democrats like Obama versus plutocrat-friendly rightwing nutjobs (aka the entire G.O.P.).

    Driftglass and Bluegal, in this week’s Professional Left podcast, also found several points of optimism, mostly in the #Occupy demonstrations.

    Jon Langford says that his son and his son’s friends view him as a paranoid old nutter when he tries to describe how fucked up things are. Perhaps optimism is the realm of younger people. Perhaps we are all getting older and as fall closes in on us, are able to see nothing but darkness and despair.

    Perhaps.

    Normally, I am all over the darkness and nihilism, I can gloom and doom with the best of them; it is not for nothing that I have attained the position of Undersecretary for Rays of Motherfucking Sunshine.

    But maybe it’s just a residual Mekons effect, maybe it was a recent reminder that we all have to find a way to live through shit-storms, and sometimes the only way to do that is to try to help someone else. But in this season that Stephen King likes to refer to as ‘unlocking’, I find myself….hopeful.

    I understand where mikey and Bouffant are coming from, I certainly do. There is lots of fuckery going on, at many levels. And the #Occupy protests certainly do seem to be moving into the truncheons-and-fire-hoses phases, or rubber bullets, tasers and tear gas, the what-have-you of a militarized police force. But you all remember what Gandhi said, right? “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

    He also said “We must be the change we wish to see in the world.” My son has a t-shirt that paraphrases: “Be the trouble you want to see in the world.” I like to think the word ‘trouble, in that context, means afflicting the comfortable as well as comforting the afflicted.

    But there has been trouble in the world before. And sometimes it does take violence and piled bodies to force change.

    But that doesn’t mean we don’t know HOW to do it, and that some of us aren’t willing to do it. I find some hope for looking forward, lying in the gutter but looking up at the stars, if you will. And I call you guys my friends, but right now I cannot afford to allow even my friends to drive that out of me.

    Perhaps optimism is the realm of the young. Perhaps not.

  29. What the fuck is with the tribal shit? We don’t live in Iraq or Afghanistan or fucking Libya. We are a nation of individuals who are dragged, by our collective ear, to the polls every 2-4 years by groups of thugs parading around as politicians. Nothing is fair either, as the decks are stacked by the thugs/pols when it comes to creating the districts we live/vote in.

    OWS has raised issues, they continue to do so..they never said they had the answers for the love of friggin christ. They wanted to start the debate about equality and justice on a myriad of issues and judging by this thread o’ comments, they did just that.

    If some folks want to continue to believe that nothing will change..and they are free to do so. Some of us still hold out hope that things will change, but that change won’t come from the top down, it will come from the bottom up, just like the civil rights movement. Change will come when people quit voting like they are told via 30 sec commercials from the thugs/politicians. Change will come when the majority of voters are tired of seeing images on their nightly newscasts of non-violent kids being beat down by cops for no reason other than speaking their mind in a public square and calling for mass resistance against the status quo. That alone gave hope to the folks in Egypt and drove them into the streets, en mass, and I like to believe we can do it here too, although we won’t be taking over the govt from Tahir square, we will have to do it in the voting booth.

    So believe as you see fit, but do not bash those of us that still hold out hope that change will come. Black folks didn’t let the thugs in white sheets or their friends, with bats and bombs, stop them and neither will those of us that are hopey-changey fucks…and I ain’t talking bout O-friggin-bama. All people of color won when it came to the civil rights movement, not just the one’s that put their lives on the line. All women won when the women’s liberation movement stayed strong. Neither one of those changes happened over night either.

    The only difference between the thugs then and the thugs now is we elect them.

  30. Oh, and another point..just exactly how friggin long did it take the civil rights movement to affect real change in Amerika? Try 13 long ass years and technically its still happening. The Egyptians did it in a matter of months..but then, they had been suffering for decades before they got fed up. I ‘hope’ we fall somewhere between those two lengths of time, as my happy ass is old and tired.

  31. mikey says:

    See? This is the point. Thanks, Dusty.

    The Civil rights movement had a functional electoral system, a functional political system, and a functioning system of governance. It had lots of opposition, but the PATH to a solution was clear. It was a matter of producing, passing and signing legislation in a political system where the parties were NOT defined by ideology, but rather by geography and history.

    I ask a simple question. Explain the methodology whereby we implement progressive change. Political, economic, social, I don’t care one bit what KIND of change, just tell me how this system, with the Overton window where it is, with the powers so deeply invested in the status quo, with the system so vulnerable to exploitation and so brutally co-opted by the wealthy and powerful that even a majority cannot pass the most obviously necessary legislation.

    Look. I’ve done what I could to educate myself about how the political, electoral and economic systems work. I’m assuming you’ve done the same. I could talk for literally HOURS about how the system has been co-opted and hardened against any change to the status quo that harms the economic interests of the so-called 1%. So I’m asking you something very simple – essentially equivalent to the evidence I can give. And that is, once again, simply this. Tell me how Americans use their electoral, political and/or economic system to implement some kind of economic or social justice. Tell me how we accomplish this when we don’t have the wealth or the power and THEY utterly own the system. Tell me how we can win this argument peacefully when they have been able to freely implement extra-constitutional measures such as warrantless surveillance and a congressional supermajority.

    I’m listening, but to be honest you’re just hiding from the outcome – I don’t blame you for doing so, but it’s blood in the streets or they surrender, and I’m pretty sure we know how that story ends…

  32. mikey says:

    The only difference between the thugs then and the thugs now is we elect them.

    Well, and they have orders of magnitude more resources, but, generally, yeah.

    You DO understand our system is based on a two party electorate, right?

    And in the 21st century America, that means center right and radical right.

    So when it comes to national elections, those are your choices. Along with staying home, which is exactly the same as a vote for the challenger.

    So you want to compare Egypt to the civil rights movement? Hokay. That’s just embarrassing.

    But here’s the thing about Egypt. IF you can get something upwards of 20% of the American population into the streets (that’s SIXTY MILLION PEOPLE, wake me up when you get one one-hundredth of the way there), then I’ll agree. But I’ll also be right, because if you can shut down the US with demonstrations of that magnitude, blood will run in the streets.

    No matter what, we either remain victims to a system that grinds us, or we blow it up. So far, you’ve done a terrible job of convincing me this isn’t true…

  33. mikey and Bouffant:

    Egypt isn’t the point.

    I am not going to stop trying to improve things. Yes, I am a fucking idiot; admitted. So was Thomas Edison: “I haven’t failed; I have found 10,000 ways that don’t work.”

    Don’t feel obligated to help.

  34. mikey says:

    Hey, I might wanna help.

    I just keep asking what the fuck your PLAN is.

    That doesn’t seem to me to be an unreasonable question…

  35. mikey says:

    I mean, think about it. If your plan for political change is to ride tricycles and eat bugs, I’m gonna sign on with another outfit. If you have some idea of how to advance our agenda, you need to be willing to share it.

    I am concerned that it keeps sounding like “hope and pray”, because that’s what keeps getting people killed by authoritarian regimes….

  36. So you want to compare Egypt to the civil rights movement? Hokay. That’s just embarrassing. I did no such thing. I compared timelines..that is all Mikey.

    The civil rights movement here in Amerika was raging against a political machine as well, only the federal govt protected the marchers in Selma from the state police force in Alabama after the local cops beat the non-violent marchers and it drew national and international press. I am referring to the Bloody Sunday march Mikey..so it’s clear to you Hokay? There was more than one march in Selma. They also didn’t need millions to make their points..they only had hundreds in Selma at any of the marches. Selma was the turning point for the civil rights movement because of the state-sanctioned violence perpetrated upon the non-violent marchers. There was blood in the streets and deaths associated with the civil rights movement btw.

    But according to your decree, we now need millions. I say bullshit, you don’t remember our history evidently, and I don’t have the time or inclination to bring you up to speed.

    And I really don’t give a tinkers damn whether I convince you or not.. as it was never my intent. Your comments tell me all I need to know about you and your smug pov.

    I am just thankful the success of civil rights movement didn’t hinge on people who thought like you, or nothing would of ever changed and everyone would of just stayed home and waxed poetic about how they were always right and nothing would or could be done to change how Black people were treated in Amerika or how they couldn’t vote south of the Mason-Dixon line.

    So stay home Mikey, by all means..stay home and tell us how we are wrong and you are right with your mighty sword..the computer. The current movement towards change doesn’t need voices like yours or anyone else that believes we are idiots for thinking that change comes to those who keep on keeping on against all odds and all naysayers.

    You will probably want the last word..so go for it. I won’t be back to read it as I have read it all before from folks who think like you when I marched against the vietnam war, the treatment of farm workers and of course, in support of the civil rights movement.

  37. mikey says:

    Nope. You don’t understand your own nation’s system. You think it’s some kind of football game, where you root for one side and make up names for the other. It’s interesting you’d get so spun up about my opinion – it’s almost as if you have grave uncertainty about your own. I haven’t said anything you should be angry about – you can have a different opinion without spewing anger. That’s all I need to see.

    But it’s interesting that you should pound your chest and declare that you marched against the vietnam war. Wow. Aren’t you the hippie.

    Ask somebody what I was doing while you were ‘marching’, tough guy…

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