Everybody’s so in love/ they don’t touch or meet

Posted: September 13, 2012 in Fridge Note, Humanity is a virus, Music nobody listens to

I like the new iPhone. I am amused by people like tundra’s buddy Carmi, who constantly predict DOOM for Apple, and have been doing it since 1995!  It’ll happen eventually, I am sure.  I suspect I know where he gets that.

Apple has always had a weird obsession with proprietary cabling, going all the way back to the ADB.  I imagine that it’s a permutation of the ‘not invented here’ attitude, but what the hell, if it gets the job done…. I laugh at the critics saying the new dock connector is TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE.  LOL, the old dock connector was such a burden too.

I wish they had bumped the storage up on the whole product line though.  Although it is still hanging on, the iPod classic hasn’t been updated in years, and they aren’t keeping up with my music library.  Online storage sucks, none of the services are adequate and the setup time is measured in geologic time.

I know a kid who is virulently anti-Apple; seriously, it’s like mentioning Obama to thundra.  Although the kid readily admits that he’s never actually used a Mac.  So he buys the more ‘open’ Android phone, then commences to lard it up with widgets and OS mods, until it is working so poorly that he has to overclock the processor to make it work, which causes it to crap out long before it should.  LOL, it’s a much better strategy, I don’t blame Apple for not playing to those kinds of customers. Anecdotally, the people I know who’ve switched to iPhones have never looked back, and generally don’t get wound up about whether the iOS is open enough or not.

Anyway, you’ve all been bad, so it’s VIDEO TIME.  And just to aggravate everybody unnecessarily, I am bringing back threaded comments. You all know who to thank.

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Comments
  1. I’ll be bad everyday if it means you’ll post Rush videos! ;p

    ((Hugs))
    Laura

  2. mikey says:

    Meh. Three factors in gear, whether it’s computers, cars or firearms.

    1. Functionality – does it do everything you want it to do without making you suicidal
    2. Usability/Reliability – essentially covers everything from UI to inherent security to stability to upgradability to operational lifetime
    3. Cost. Cost to purchase. Cost to fully equip. Cost to own and operate.

    Apple gear does fine on number one, but so does Ubuntu, SUSE or Mint on generic OTS hardware. Windows fails. Apple usually (but not always) wins on number two. Apple fails horribly on number three, well below even Windows. Linux on Intel is the clear winner.

    So, we each decide how to weight these factors, and we throw in our comfort with new/unfamiliar technologies. The fanbois are idiots because they operate on the premise that the gear/mfg THEY prefer is therefore the BEST in some absolute sense. I prefer .357 revolvers from Smith and .45 autos from HK, and dislike .40 Smith autos and anything from Glock. Does that mean .40 Smith and Glock are SHIT? No, that would be a stupid conclusion. It merely means that after considering the features and costs I have arrived at a general preference.

    This is why these religious arguments over compute platforms are idiotically entertaining. While they ostensibly focus on features and cost/benefit calculations, they are really just an argument about what is best for us as individuals based on our personal preferences. In religious arguments, it is important to remember that everyone always starts with their conclusion and works backwards. That is why minds cannot be changed and feelings get hurt.

    For what it’s worth, I have an Android Smarty Phone (Motorola Droid) and am blissfully unaware of any capability available on the IOS platform that is not available on Android. My phone does everything I can think of that I might want it to do, and every time I think of something new I might want it to do I quickly discover that it does that too. So if paying more for the same functionality is important in order to get a different UI, well, it’s your money, you earned it. You might also decide to buy a Glock. I can’t stop you. But I sure don’t get it…

  3. Apple gear does fine on number one, but so does Ubuntu, SUSE or Mint on generic OTS hardware.

    every time we fight about this, I re-iterate that those, in fact do NOT do what I need them to do. Again, ad infinitum, I have several specialized computer software solutions that do NOT have even half-assed counterparts in the Open Source world.

    I am not being religious about this argument. I am being realistic. Like thunder, you are imputing elements of my post that do not exist.

    Some other time when I am feeling less aggro I will get into the life cycle and maintenance costing of the hardware.

  4. Totally tasteless video to drive away the last 2.1 people who read this blog:

  5. mikey says:

    At the risk of sounding like a wingnut troll, go back and read my post – you clearly didn’t read it before you responded. I’ll draw your attention to this:

    So, we each decide how to weight these factors, and we throw in our comfort with new/unfamiliar technologies.

    And this:

    it is important to remember that everyone always starts with their conclusion and works backwards.

    And this:

    So if paying more for the same functionality is important in order to get a different UI, well, it’s your money,

    I don’t know how many more different ways I can point out that these are INDIVIDUAL decisions and we make them depending upon how we weight and value the various factors that go into that decision. I have never struggled with your conclusion that a specific application drives your OS selection, although I wonder if you absolutely HATED OSX how difficult you would find it to find an alternative. But I’m the first to confess that I don’t know. Some people MUST use Outlook for work, and they’re stuck with Windows. As I’ve related a number of times, I spent quite a number of years with a Mac, a Windows PC and a Sun Workstation in my office. I keep assuming that would make my understanding of OS dependencies clear. Also, ZRM, I don’t think you are a Fanboi. I think you have a VERY strong Apple preference and, like the EVERYBODY I referred to above, tend to start with your conclusion (Mac is better/Better for you) – Just as I start with my conclusion (given the option to select an OS, which is MUCH more common than being OS constrained by application considerations, I cannot understand why anybody would choose to pay more for less functionality) and arrive at your reasons and justifications.

    Just as there are very high quality Graphic Designers who use Windows, I am certain there are very high quality Architects using Linux – but that’s not the point of the discussion. You keep wanting to make it about YOUR particular set of circumstances – I think when you’re talking about a particular OS or platform (or any other widely used set of gear) you have to think in terms of adoption and usage patterns across the population. The population uses a browser for 90% of their compute tasks – web surfing, search, email, facebook, porn, and increasingly, productivity applications. They might also use a word processor, a spreadsheet, an email client, a photo editor or other mainstream applications. They are NOT OS constrained – there is simply no compelling reason why any of the available options are closed off for them. And for them, the Linux desktop is cheaper, faster, requires less demanding hardware, more secure and more manageable. It is true that they have to know how to download and install an OS and the applications, but that is NOT a difficult set of skills to acquire at this point. We weren’t born knowing how to drive a car, but it sure seems that anybody in the world can learn it.

    I will end, however, with a warning. Check yourself – the surest sign of falling over into Fanboi-ism is to get butthurt when somebody disagrees with your choice in OS. Just sayin…

  6. Go ahead, call me a fanboi if it makes you feel better. thundra can call me an oBot too. Lah de dah….

  7. mikey says:

    Just as I try to help Thunder see the error of his ways, I am here to provide you with the guidance you so clearly need.

    Seriously – I’m entirely agnostic. Apple makes very good shit – anybody who says otherwise is an idiot. I very much do NOT like Windows but it must be admitted that you can use it to do just about anything you might want to do. I like Linux because I it is kind of unique in the marketplace – the most advanced, up to date, highest performance compute platform available and it’s FREE. That, along with the fact that I LIKE computers in the way that other guys like cars, makes it ideal for me.

    So to sum up so as to end the disagreement for all time – if you have the option and are willing to learn a few new things, you can have a modern, high performance, fully functional computer for just a few hundred dollars. If for any reason you would rather pay more in order to get something off the shelf, more familiar, or that runs a particular application you want to use – that doesn’t make you a bad person. It means you have made a choice on how to spend your money.

    I try to encourage people to try Linux because it works very well on old and lower end hardware and it’s free. It represents an opportunity to resuscitate an old PC or give your kid a powerful computer to take to school. The fact that there is a modern, powerful, free operating system available for nuthin is a GOOD thing. Even if you don’t want to use it yourself, I think you would agree that there’s no harm in people like me trying to explain why someone might want to try it…

    • You misunderstand, mikey. I already HAVE a Linux box running Ubuntu. It’s my Mac. It’s not that I don’t want to use it; it’s that it is entirely duplicative.

      I also run Windows on my Mac, but I do that as penance for all my sins.

  8. fish says:

    Just as a point of clarification. You will certainly not be driving my off by posting Fishbone vids.

    Also too, the price disadvantage of Apple is often overstated when you actually compare similarly equipped models.

    • Also, the cost to maintain and update is often written off, when people do it themselves. But I can’t afford to do that, because every hour I spend futzing with computers is an hour I can’t spend on billable items, and I already did that for half of today in catching up on accounting and taxes.

    • You will certainly not be driving my off by posting Fishbone vids.

      I was hoping the tastelessness of posting a “Ground Zero” song so soon after the neocon High Holy Day would suffice.

      And it’s too early in the year to post Weird Al’s “Christmas At Ground Zero”.

  9. Big Bad Bald Bastard says:

    I still have my six year old Motorola “industrial” cell phone. It still works, and it could probably be used as a hammer in a pinch. I just can’t see the point in upgrading just for the sake of consumption. Plus, I need a phone with a lot of “hit points”, if I had a fragile phone, it would last a month at best.

  10. mikey says:

    Well, yeah, and in addition there’s that whole Packers-starting-out-0-2 thing to worry about.

    Waiter. We’re gonna need a whole BUNCH more Sailor Jerry’s over here.

    No Giants game tonight, so I’ll be watching it with you.

    Of course, it’ll still be pretty early out here, but I’ll try to catch up by halftime…

  11. ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© says:

    Also, my economic recovery plan.
    ~

  12. fish says:

    I still have my six year old Motorola “industrial” cell phone. It still works, and it could probably be used as a hammer in a pinch. I just can’t see the point in upgrading just for the sake of consumption.

    On the principle, I agree, but with my iPhone, using it as a “phone” is about 10th on the list of what I use it for. This would be true for any smartphone of course.

  13. mikey says:

    Also too, the price disadvantage of Apple is often overstated when you actually compare similarly equipped models.

    I’m not sure if that’s the takeaway I get from that article, Fish. The article actually says if you shop price and don’t carefully feature-match, you can get a comparable laptop for a lot less. And you can. But yeah, if you buy a high end windows machine, it’ll cost the same as a Mac. The Samsung Ultrabook I got for my birthday is an incredible machine, but I would NEVER have paid that much for a computer. Not that I’m complaining.

    But that’s all for new hardware. One of the overlooked benefits of Linux is how it can keep older machines alive and contributing to society. At worst, a forty dollar PATA hard drive and an 8 year old dell is new again, fast and useful and ready to go another five years. Every month, more and more old computers are being replaced, and some of them are not happy with Windows 7, let alone that new monstrosity. This is a resource we should ALL take advantage of. I’m typing this right now on an old Dell Inspiron from about ’06 that died last year. But it’s a pretty awesome zombie…

    • The article actually says if you shop price and don’t carefully feature-match, you can get a comparable laptop for a lot less

      Not the way I would define “comparable” but whatever. I guess a Porsche is comparable to a bicycle in that they are both wheeled vehicles also.

      Wife Sublime uses whatever commodity box they shove at her, and it is always remarkable at the inferior quality of the componentry. The screens on Macs alone are worth at least half the difference. I know, I know, mikey, you have one you salvaged off a Federation Runabout that only has a crack in the upper corner and if you look at it on a 30 degree angle, IT’S FINE. but I spend way too much time on graphics programs to fuck around with inferior displays.

      Also, WS got a new wi-fi printer last week. Took her an hour and a half to get her computer talking to it. I looked on my printer list…and it was just there.

  14. mikey says:

    Yes. In fact, the “phone” I use most often is Google Chat. It’s way easier to talk on a computer with a tabletop microphone and a decent pair of speakers than a little phone. I use the Smartyphone mainly as a (VERY) portable computer. Email, text, RSS, Facebook, Linkedin, Navigation, Wiki, Music Player, all that other stuff that’s just wonderful to have in one pocket…

    • It’s way easier to talk on a computer with a tabletop microphone and a decent pair of speakers than a little phone.

      Amusingly enough, one of the advances in the new iPhone that is not being discussed much is an expansion of the audio bandwidth being devoted to phone calls. It seems that the ‘phone sound’ is a legacy from the old wired lines, where they compressed the sound to save on signal size, and that just got adopted into the cellular network without anybody thinking about it. They still have to get the carriers to open up their internal bandwidth, but like with the record industry, at least Apple has the gorilla size to put some leverage into them.

  15. mikey says:

    Actually, I use a 21″ LG monitor. 1600 resolution and plenty of windows open at once. Every bit as good as anything else out there, I got it for 99 bux and it works with every computer in the house.

    Of course, there’s also the main teevee which as HDMI ports for when I want a big display.

    If you (well, not YOU certainly, but a more generic “you”) spent money on the mac just for the display, well, once again, you made a choice about how to spend your money but it’s a choice I wouldn’t make…

    • Yeah, I bought one of those 100 buck monitors for use with some of my lesser Macs. Needless to say, I am not impressed, but I am sure I am wrong about it somehow. I still maintain, although doubtless in error, that the high quality displays on my Macs are not a waste of money, considering my aged eyes. Although it was not ‘just’ for the display, it was merely one example of the difference between my wife’s computer and mine.

      Can you dig it?

  16. mikey says:

    Yeah, they’ve been using wideband audio on RTP and some VOIP protocols for a long time. It’s ITU G.722. I’ve heard some discussion of moving it onto the cell networks, but like you say, the pushback is reducing the overall available bandwidth.

    Researchers are working on intelligent adaptive compression protocols that will reduce the bitrate when there’s a lot of traffic and permit higher bitrates when demand is lower. Once again, as always, the software is behind the hardware because software is inherently harder to do…

  17. I do find it annoying that as The Evil OSes move toward overlapping windows much more, OS X is moving toward full-screen implementations.

    If I REALLY get wound up about this, I may write a STRONGLY WORDED letter.

  18. mikey says:

    Well, ok. You’ve won the argument by making me feel bad for thinking that anything I might have or own or do was worth at least not pissing on. Now I know that there is no monitor that could possibly be usable but those that come from Apple, and no phone that is better than a cracker jack toy that isn’t running IOS. I am scum, and can only wish that someday I might have some item of computer gear that isn’t wholly unusable and, frankly, shittier than actual fresh steaming morning dog turds…

  19. Pressie for mikey.

    All of it is impermanent and meaningless. I learned computers on a mainframe running fortran and dumb terminals with some weird version of Basic. Oh, and some machine language. What worth is all of that these days?

  20. blue girl says:

    Just as there are very high quality Graphic Designers who use Windows

    That’s an interesting thing to say. I wonder if it’s true. My gut instinct says, no, it’s not. But, that’s just me. I know some dang good designers and art directors. (I’m actually married to one) and every creative department I’ve ever been in is Apple product heaven. It’s the account side who are all on PCs.

    And if anyone cares, I got my laptop back again, all fixed.

    I WILL NEVER ADMIT WHAT WAS WRONG WITH IT.

    Also and such as as thunder would say…. and this is going back a few comment threads, but I feel I must address it…. Yes, the dudes who asked me if I was gonna architect something were indeed computer guys. I always say IT guys and I’m not sure that is the right description. They’re the guys who talk about saas and soap and building engines and stuff.

    I’m glad they weren’t throwing that lingo at me to confuse me so that they could make more money. (But they probably were anyway. The owner kept saying way too much how *humble* he is.)

    Uh huh. Why do you keep thinking you need to point that out, sir?

  21. blue girl says:

    lol, how did you know?

  22. blue girl says:

    Willard Romney?

    Might as well be him for his b.s. in meetings. He wears short sleeved jean shirts with the logo of his company embroidered on the left breast area. And it’s about 8″ wide!!! Seriously. I’m not even exaggerating. HUGE UGLY LOGO. That’s a b.s. sales guy right there.

  23. Beege, you have to sneak a cameraphone photo of the guy at the next meeting.

  24. I AM LATE FOR THE APPLE TROLLING.

    Tried to use the newer version of iMovie yesterday for that fucking Althouse thing and it was counterintuitive plus heavy on clicking-on-teeny-things. Gave up and cut-and-pasted in Quicktime 7 (although I could have used the GOOD iMovie on the old behemoth with the squeaky fans).

    Apple really is going downhill on user interface, it’ll just take them a while.

  25. Beege, I would like to ask you, Skimmer, and mikey, hell anybody else, what is a decent way to corral the proliferation of fonts on this axe. I just downloaded 10 new hand-drawn fonts, and everytime I go to apply one of them in an app, I am faced with a menu of 400 of the damn things.

    Is there a functionality to FontBook i am not seeing?

  26. blue girl says:

    I’ll ask the skimmer. All I do is add them to FontBook and I’m never bugged by anything.

    Are you trying to use them on your phone?

  27. blue girl says:

    We’re not smartphone people. We’re too poor.

  28. blue girl says:

    This is why ZRM loves Apple so much. Cuz they tell him why they do what they do:

    http://link.backlight.tv/lillydiabe/videos/simon-sinek–the-golden-circle-45.html

  29. blue girl says:

    Are you and mikey fighting? Don’t fight! Make love, not war.

  30. WILL the zombie be able to alienate the Brando-Von axis with the football game tonight? Well, considering that half of that team is ALREADY blowing the zombie into the woods, Magic 8 Balls say it is Most Likely!

  31. Rodgers is going to need a whole row of shovels to beat several receivers at the end of the game.

  32. I should have wagered a blog post with Brando again.

  33. going from a Mac/PC flamewar to a Bears gloat-fest. Next up: I discuss why Bob Dylan’s new album sucks, and why the Beatles are overrated.

    That ought to cover the bases.

    • M. Bouffant says:

      why Bob Dylan’s new album sucks
      A) It’s Bob Dylan. (Unless it’s really Don).
      B) Bob is 71.

      I have a four-yr. old Samsung cell. Costs $15.00/mo. Can’t imagine spending $50.00/mo. for smartphone service, let alone the hundreds the smartphone would cost in the first place. Since I spend almost all waking time in the bunker at the devil-box, it may be a good thing not to be connected when not hunkered down.

  34. another kiwi says:

    I have mixed feelings about Tempest. I knew that you would be interested. The one Bob just sounds a bit too creaky. I did like the video for D-whatever bell. I would like to hear his song about Lennon, however.

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