I have found it to be remarkable how the Presidential debates have developed. On the right, it has been a cavalcade of hatred, bigotry, lies and slander, ugliness and fascism. Otherwise known as Republican Politics.
On the Dem side, the debates have been mostly civil, respectful, and much filled with actual content and actual ideas for improving things.
I suspect Hillary and Bernie had a discussion prior to getting into it, to agree that the focus was on issues and not attacks. And good for them!
Hey, did you hear there was another Democratic Debate tonight? And it was held in Milwaukee, at one of the public universities that Turdwaffle is working to destroy? Look, you can find this shit, you know how Goofle works, so I ain’t linking. I have to make this post….
The debate was held 6 blocks north of my house, so I stayed downtown cuz I have work to do and I do NOT need Secret Service dudes questioning me about my state of decease. Wife Sublime had a shot at tickets, as she is a student (yes I am married to a HOT COED) but it didn’t seem to go anywhere.
From what I hear, the debate was, as the other ones, pretty great. RESPECT to Hillary for wearing UW-Milwaukee Panther colors, and sorry Bernie, i know men only have the choices of blue, grey and black, but you could have sported a yellow and black tie?
I am not following these debates, because there is no FUCKING WAY I am voting for a Republican Clown, and I like both Hillary and Bernie; I have a pretty good idea what they stand for. As the Professional Left says, in the general, i will be voting for whoever Bernie votes for. (Although I might change that to say Feingold)…
Interesting (but maybe only to me) story. Last time round, when Hillary was running and Obama was the New Kid, WS and I talked and we agreed that we were both leaning Hillary. And then I voted Obama in the primary; WS seemed hurt.OK, I understand. Since then, Obama has proven himself, so THAT seems OK.
I like both of these candidates, quite a bit. Bernie’s heart is in the right place, and Hillary is smart, talented, and experienced and I think much of the criticism she receives is based on her husband’s tenure. And much of the remainder of her criticism is based in barely disguised sexism. Having reviewed her history to some extent, she seems to be much more progressive than she has been able to expose to date.
But here’s what I have seen; Clinton is MASSIVELY experienced, more than nearly any other presidential candidate in many years. She is battle-hardened, she worked with Obama in his administration, she has connections out the wazoo. Yeah, she was cozy with Wall Street. But she was their Senator, you know? People try to blame her for her husband’s work, but isn’t that stupid? If I poop my pants, are we supposed to blame my wife?
Let’s be clear. I do not endorse everything Hillary has ever done. Although blaming her for her vote for the AUMF is ridiculous; there was only one vote in the Senate against (guess who it was?) But you know what? I have NEVER endorsed everything done by any politician.I mean, I am a fucking hippie-punk….I don’t endorse everything ever done by any politician that I voted for…
I confess I WANT to follow up the first African American President with the first Woman President (or first Jewish President!) and I find no validity to the arguments about electability, which were also brought out in 2008…
I think this difference has been well demonstrated by mikey and a mutual friend on FaceHell. Mikey has been consistently been beating the drum for Experience and Electability. To which I say “excellent point” and the other person says Bernie has the moral high ground. to which I say “excellent point”! But no matter how valid these points are, at the end of the rope there is a very simple two pronged aspect of electability and experience. And as The professor has been demonstrating, there is a huge advantage to being the Clinton in this race (and it should be noted that the Prof, in addition to being an excellent sci-fi blogger and former New Wave musician, has over-performed Nate Silver in predicting the Big Races…
Also, and i do not think this is an inconsiderable part, but Hillary Clinton ‘s time on the world stage is a very significant advantage. As Secretary of State, she has not only been integral to the current administration, but she has been effective in a fair number of foreign policy advances.
I have said that I will be voting Bernie in the primary and voting for whoever Bernie is voting for in the general (the Professional Left strategy). However after much consideration, and completely ignoring the Democratic debates (although paying attention to the Usual suspects for reviews). The Wisconsin Primary is nearly meaningless, but we usually see all the candidates show up.
also, Hillary performed a righteous slam on Turdwaffle, and that makes me happy.
At the end of the day, I really feel that from a strategic standpoint, Clinton is much more powerful in the general, which makes me feel that Bernie will be more effective remaining as Senator; actually, M\ORE effective after the way his successful national run raises his profile…